For those of us concerned about the federal debt, recent news has been consistently bad. Optimistic signs are sparse.
Status Quo: Bleak
Debt relative to GDP. The usual way to measure the level of debt is as a percentage of GDP. i.e., relative to the economy’s output. In 2020, it reached an all-time high; it’s a little lower now, about what it was at the end of WWII. This is gross or total debt (including that held in federal trust funds, like the social security trust fund). Debt held by the public, per FRED, is a bit lower than WWII levels.

Implicit debt. The federal government is in the business of making promises. The old saw is that the federal government is largely an insurance company (retirement and health benefits plan might be more accurate) with an army. No competent finance professional would evaluate the fiscal health of an insurance company or pension fund by only looking at its outstanding debt and annual PL, ignoring its legal obligations to pay future claims. The same should be true in evaluating the fiscal health of the federal government.
Put another way, federal policy promises to pay Social Security and Medicare benefits. These commitments cannot realistically be changed quickly as a political and equitable matter. That’s why Trump has pledged not to cut them; it’s politically unpopular. These commitments are implicit debt and need to be considered in evaluating the economic burdens of the debt. The folks who created and maintain the Penn Wharton Budget Model estimated these broader measures of debt and they don’t look good. Complete Measures of U.S. National Debt (1/25/2025). Considering the need to fund Social Security and Medicare benefits at current levels increases the explicit debt (i.e., outstanding treasury securities) by 35%. That reflects the demographic reality of an increasingly aging and dependent population; the relative burden of paying those benefits will increase. Estimating other commitments – VA benefits, military and civil service pensions, etc. which are not included in those estimates – would likely further increase implicit debt.
Cost of paying the debt. A better budget measure of the debt’s economic effects is how much it costs the government to pay the interest. How much does the debt crowd out other spending – public or private? During a low-interest environment (e.g., last decade with interest rates at or below inflation), that cost is manageable. When interest rates rise, as they have recently, the economic burden of debt becomes more significant.
I’ve made this point before, citing CFRB, by pointing out how interest outlays have surpassed spending on the military and Medicaid. This graph compares interest outlays to GDP illustrates just how far this has gone, per FRED through 2023:

The all-time high was reached in 1990. 2023 was close. It would be worse if a lot of the outstanding long-term T-bonds had not been issued during the extremely low-interest rate environment in the aftermath of the Great Recession. It’s only recently that Treasury has had to borrow at more typical rates. The exact opposite was true in the late 1980s, when there was an overhang of long-term debt issued during Paul Volcker’s high interest, inflation-fighting.
As a bit of international context, the US pays a higher percent of its GDP in interest than any other developed nation (see graph of OCED estimates below that I cribbed from Bruce Mehlman’s Substack), even though out debt is lower, relative to GDP, than some nations. For example, Japan has more than twice our level of debt relative to GDP but pays much less in interest because of its low interest rates.

What happens if the budget is put on autopilot (i.e., Congress simply continues existing policy)? It looks worse because we keep spending more than we take in, by a lot. CBO’s latest forecast (table on page 2) shows that interest outlays for 2024 are 3.1% of GDP, higher than shown in the FRED graph above at about the 1990 level. But CBO forecasts that they will rise to 3.9% of GDP in 2034, an all-time high. CBO’s forecast (page 61) assumes that interest rates (10-year T-notes) will drop in the next two years and be stable afterward. If they don’t, the debt burden will be even higher.
Shades of black. Those who want to go even darker can read Gene Steuerle’s post, Our Fiscal Situation Threatens Democracy, Not Just The Economy(2/25/2025), which points out that federal revenues are now less than mandatory spending (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, interest on the debt, etc.) or this Penn Wharton Budget Model estimate that the point of unsustainability is reached in 20 years under a best-case scenario (e.g., a counterfactual assumption that Trump and Congress don’t make things worse). When the debt and the cost of paying it is growing faster than the economy, you’re on an unsustainable path and that’s where we are.
That doesn’t mean things can’t be turned around; they can with the necessary political will and sustained commitment. For a less dark view, see this Brookings Report by Bill Gale and Alan Auerbach.
Bottom line. If the status quo continues, things will get worse not better. Bleak.
Prospects: Bleaker
What really matters is what Trump and Congress do. Budgets do not operate on autopilot, especially not after a national election that put one party into full control with (arguably) a mandate to make big changes.
Looking at interest outlays relative to GDP, the 1990 high water mark was quickly reversed, thanks to a combination of 1989-93 budget actions and stellar economic growth in the mid to late 1990s. If our leaders thought it was a big problem and had the necessary political will, they could put us back on a more sustainable path (deficit growing more slowly than GDP), if not to an actual balanced budget (probably not necessary). That is what Bush 41, Clinton, and their respective congresses did in 1989 through 1993, one was bipartisan (1991) and the other purely Democratic (1993).
Is there any chance of similar actions being taken now? Or are we doomed to descend to even deeper depths? Judging that requires a fraught exercise, political forecasting. Put more frankly, a fool’s errand. Since I’m a known fool, my informed guess follows. They’re not really predictions of what I think will happen. Just my assessment of two things:
- A comparison of the current political and budget environment to that in 1989-93, when the federal government turned the ship of budget state away from the debt iceberg; and
- The budget messages and actions coming out of DC.
Current climate unfavorable
For Congress to take meaningful actions on debt/deficit, three factors are crucial:
- Recognition that it’s a serious problem
- Political will to act
- Favorable budget options that make fixing it politically possible
All three key factors were present in the 1889-1993 period, which is why they succeeded in closing the deficit. I was reminded of that by recently reading two books, Mike Graetz, The Power to Destroy and John Ganz, When the Clock Broke, both of which cover (among many other things) the political and budget history of the late 1980s and early 1990s. My media diet and common sense now tell me each of three factors is less favorable now than back then.
Recognition of the gravity of the problem. It’s obvious that if public officials and the public do not recognize it as a big problem, nothing will be done. Any solution will be painful – cutting spending and/or raising taxes is never pleasant or easy. The budget speak equivalent of the aphorism, “Nature abhors a vacuum” is “Human nature abhors a budget constraint.” We like free stuff, unfunded tax cuts and spending.
In 1989-1993, the gravity of the problem was widely accepted, as recounted in the second section of Graetz’s book. Examples: Reagan admitted the growing deficit was the big failure of his administration. Congress enacted the draconian Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Balanced Budget Act to fix the problem automatically if Congress didn’t. It was a core theme of the 1992 presidential election. Ross Perot made it a central theme of his third-party candidacy (remember his long TV infomercials with charts and graphs) and he got nearly 19% of the vote, more than any other third-party candidate except TR.
By contrast, nothing like that is now the case. Deficits and debt are politically passe. Both candidates in the 2024 presidential election proposed major deficit-increasing policies. Donald Trump has never, in his personal or public life, been concerned about debt. Sure, he claimed he would balance the budget with magical tariffs and by cutting waste and fraud (a fraudulent claim itself). The Republican Party long ago stopped believing the debt is a serious issue, but rather a rhetorical cudgel to bludgeon Democrats and their spending proposals with. Yes, a variety of groups and pundits express concerns, but they are regarded as scolds, and the issue has not grabbed public attention or concern – by a critical mass of the media and other elites. The current fragmented media environment, compared with the 20th century version, makes doing anything much more difficult. It’s simply harder to focus the public’s attention on anything because people get their news from so many diffuse sources. Concerns about deficits now are much more defuse and of a second or third order, insufficient to motivate painful political choices.
Political will to act. The political will to act flows from public recognition of the severity of the problem, a function of widespread concern by voters. That was present in the late 1980s and early 1990s – spurred by the markets (the bond market especially), the media, and elites. Nothing like that exists now.
Reasonable budget options. The third key factor is a budget environment that provides somewhat palatable budget options. Cutting spending and raising taxes is never easy, but there can be wide variations in the degree of difficulty of doing so. The budget balancing path in 1989-1993 was smoother and rosier than now.
- Then. In 1989-1993, there was more room to make budget cuts without cutting politically sensitive entitlements. Demographics were favorable. The baby boom was entering its prime earning years, and the 1983 social security fix was bulking up the social security trust funds. The end of the Cold War allowed major cuts in defense spending. Discretionary spending and pure welfare (i.e., AFDC) were relatively larger budget categories and both were cut. Both parties were willing to raise taxes and that, along with modest cuts and economic growth, was how the budget was balanced in the late 1990s.
- Now. There is much less room now to cut spending. The Ukraine War and the increased belligerence of China suggests (unlike the 1990s) we may need to increase military spending, if only to rebuild the nation’s capacity to make conventional weapons (artillery shells, e.g.) and drones (we should not be dependent on China to produce them). Demographic factors are not on our side. We have an aging and increasing dependent population as the baby boomers retire and more of them need care. Fertility rates are lower and dropping. Thanks to political considerations immigration will decline and deportations may rise. That combination makes entitlement spending grow faster and harder to cut, while reducing its revenues (e.g., social security taxes paid by undocumented immigrants who collect no benefits).
In short, the background environment for reducing the deficit and debt is not good. The political and budget reality is much more difficult than in the 1989-1993 period, the last time Congress enacted serious budget balancing legislation. A best-case scenario, unlikely as that is politically, would be to continue the status quo. More likely politically, as the next section suggests, is we pile on more debt, burrowing deeper into the hole we’re in.
Direct Messages from Politicos
Here’s where I’m on the thinnest ice – making inferences from the actions and public communications by politicians and their ilk. These messages are typically ambiguous, garbled, and too often calculated to mislead. Moreover, they typically have short shelf lives as discussions go on, positions shift, resolutions pass, and compromises are made. So, take this snapshot with a grain of salt.
In any case, the explicit messages from the critical actors – Trump, Republican congressional leaders, and Elon Musk – are uniformly bad, in my view, if your concern is the growing debt. In fact, they suggest things will get worse, not better.
Campaign positions
The Trump campaign – to the extent one relies on campaign rhetoric – suggested something on the order of $5 to $10 trillion in tax cuts not offset by spending cuts or other tax increases. The menu includes full extension of TCJA, including already expiring business tax cuts like R&D expensing and bonus depreciation, exempting tips, overtime pay, social security benefits and so on. All of this is to be offset by tariff revenues and reducing fraud and wasteful spending.
Bottom line based on campaign rhetoric: Some indeterminate, but substantial, increase in the deficit.
Congressional Budget Proposals
The 2025-26 Congress is going to deal with extending or making TCJA permanent and myriad other budget issues through reconciliation. The first step in that process is to pass a budget resolution that sets the target deficit effects by congressional committee for a ten-year period (2025-2034). The heavy lifting, actual legislation with changes in the law that effectuate the budget, will follow later.
The Senate so far is on a two-bill track, the first of which is a slimmed down bill to deal with the border and military spending (NY Times story) for the first ten-year period. (Each congress can pass two reconciliation bills.) So, we don’t know what they will do about the bigger issues, like tax cuts. We do know what the chair of the Senate Finance Committee thinks and it will definitely grow the deficit by ignoring the $4+ trillion cost of making TCJA permanent as part of the baseline budget. According to quotes in Politico, the senate is now willing to switch to the one-bill track.
The House is on a one bill track and has passed its budget resolution. It didn’t look likely to pass until Trump intervened and convinced just enough no votes to convert to yes. NY Times; Politico. It calls for large, deficit-increasing tax cuts (i.e., extending TCJA etc.), along with big budget cuts. Republicans generally succeed at enacting unfunded tax cuts (e.g., Reagan, GWB twice, and Trump 1). What’s different about this cut is that it is also funded by at least $1.7 trillion in spending cuts. That they have never done, and I remain skeptical that they can actually do so. Of course, that may mean they simply skip meaningful spending and either reduce the size of the tax cut or increase the deficit. Stay tuned.
The text of the resolution is available, here, Penn Wharton Budget Model’s analysis, here, and a Tax Foundation summary, here. The resolution would increase the deficit by $2.8 trillion over ten years. The really bad news (assuming this is the final plan) is that $1.7 trillion dollars of spending cuts are used not to reduce the deficit, but to reduce the amount of deficit-increasing tax cuts.
The table below is my simplified summary of the resolution. Positive numbers are billions of dollars of increases in federal deficit spending over the 10-year period. The amounts are by committee (the resolution directs congressional committees to take budget actions, such as cutting or increasing spending or taxes). I combined committees with smaller amounts. The Ag cuts will likely come largely from SNAP (formerly food stamps) and Energy and Commerce cuts from Medicaid, I’d think.
The unallocated cuts number reflects a provision that will increase or decrease the size of the tax cut, if the spending cuts reported by the committees with directions under the resolution to cut spending do not equal $2 trillion. (The sum of the cuts specified by committee is $1,502 billion. So, there are orphan cuts of $498 billion.) If the cuts are more than $2 trillion, the tax cut increases by the overage. If the cuts are less, the tax cuts decrease by the shortfall. So, that means that the deficit reduction factor is baked in and it’s only the size of the tax cut (not the deficit effects) that is at issue.
I guess that’s intended to incent the spending committees to cut more, allowing Way & Means to cut more taxes, potentially including Trump’s ideas to exempt tips, overtime pay, social security benefits, etc. It also confirms the obvious regarding the GOP’s priorities: tax cuts are more important than deficit reduction. The adjustment factor uses all spending cuts over the $2 trillion marker to fund tax cuts with zilch for deficit reduction.
House Budget Resolution Deficit Effects
| Budget Category | billions |
| Tax cuts | $4,500 |
| Spending increases | |
| Armed Services | 100 |
| Homeland Security | 90 |
| Judiciary | 110 |
| Spending cuts | |
| Agriculture | (230) |
| Energy and Commerce | (880) |
| Education and workforce | (330) |
| Other categories | (62) |
| Unallocated cuts (bigger cuts increase tax cut, lower decrease) | (498) |
| Deficit increase | $2,798 |
Bottom line: based on congressional actions so far, we’ll see a big increase in the deficit because of congressional action, likely at least $2.8 trillion. The Senate will probably push up the House amount, based on this Politico story:
Immediately after the House approved its plan Tuesday, [Senate Majority Leader] Thune called for any Republican tax bill to include a permanent extension of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. That was an implicit criticism of the House budget blueprint, which allows for $4.5 trillion in net tax cuts — which tax writers in both chambers say won’t be enough to allow for TCJA permanency along with Trump’s other tax priorities.
“I know my Senate colleagues are committed to, as is the president, permanence in the tax situation. And we don’t have yet in the House bill so we’re going to work together in a cooperative way,” said Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), the No. 2 Senate Republican.
Trump’s efforts and success at getting reluctant House members to vote yes on the budget resolution suggest that he will be more engaged this term than last. Bad sign. There is no precedent for a Republican Congress making material budget cuts to finance tax cuts. So, I make no predictions in that regard. A $2.8 trillion increase in the deficit is a best-case scenario and I’d take the over on that.
DOGE to the rescue?
Meanwhile and notwithstanding Congress’s constitutional power of the purse, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is carrying out extensive executive actions with budget implications. The best way to characterize these actions are intentional chaos – terminating numerous federal employees some for pretextual reasons (e.g., nearly all probationary employees for poor performance but not based on assessing that performance), pausing spending, axing programs, etc. – much of which is of borderline legality or outright illegality. That’s consistent with Silicon Valley’s business MO – Move Fast and Break Things – and a general willingness to not worry a lot about legality (especially Musk and bright line SEC requirements per Matt Levine).
It’s hard to make sense out of chaos (the fog of war and all that), but a few things seem clear:
- DOGE is proving a determined executive can unilaterally cut spending, notwithstanding the constitution vesting the appropriation power in Congress. Yes, court actions will reverse some of the cuts, but some will be upheld, others won’t be challenged, and some cannot be practically reversed. Only one thing is certain: it will be a boon for lawyers who represent employees in federal employment matters.
- There will be material reductions in outlays, even if DOGE’s claims of savings must be discounted (Politico, NBC, NYTimes).
- Since most entitlement spending is off-limits, other than mistaken or fraudulent payments, real progress to pay for tax cuts or reduce the deficit is unlikely. They’re even talking about giving back some of the savings as Doge dividend checks, demonstrating a lack of fiscal seriousness.
- Adverse effects on revenue collection may exceed spending reductions.
Revenue effects may swamp spending cuts. On the lateral point, DOGE’s administrative actions are hurting IRS’s ability to collect revenues.
- Some unknown number of IRS probationary employees have been laid off (6,700 per NYTimes story, 6,000 per WSJ, 3,500 per Tax Notes). Most of these employees (more than 5,000 according to the Times story) were working in enforcement and compliance. These newer employees were likely hired under the IRA’s increases in funding, including many attempting to improve the Service’s IT resources. Newer employees are likely less productive as they move up the learning curve, but in the long run this must undercut compliance, collections, and enforcement.
- An executive order, which applies to IRS, mandates that for each four federal employees who quit or retire, only one may be replaced. If that sticks, it will further hobble the Service.
- While laying off employees, they’re distracting the IRS from its core mission of administering the tax system and collecting revenues by seeking to use its employees to enforce immigration law and combating fraud in unrelated government programs. Some of the latter may make sense, but it needs to be debated by Congress and funded.
- To compound matters, an unqualified individual has been nominated to run the agency.
If the goal is to balance the budget, IRS cuts are short-sighted to put it charitably. To illustrate the idiocy of what they’re doing consider these quotes from the Times article:
The Commerce secretary, Howard Lutnick, said on Fox News on Wednesday that Mr. Trump wants to replace the I.R.S. with an “External Revenue Service” that would be funded by tariff revenue.
“His goal is to abolish the Internal Revenue Service and let all the outsiders pay,” Mr. Lutnick said.
…
“I live in D.C.,” Mr. [Kevin] Hassett [Director of Trump’s National Economic Council] said. “Nobody’s going into the buildings, people aren’t commuting because people aren’t doing their jobs.”
“We’re fixing that and the I.R.S. is a small part of that picture.”
It’s like DOGE dispatched people to save a sinking ship that is taking on water. Some of them start bailing, while others go below and throw stuff overboard to reduce the ship’s weight. The guys below unbolt and throw overboard the bilge pumps. The net result is the ship sinks faster.
That very well may be what they’re doing by laying off IRS employees. Dumb. Of course, it is what Trump and many Republican congressional candidates said they would do during the campaign. So, I can’t say I’m surprised.
Here’s how seven former IRS commissioners (appointed by Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2, Obama, and Trump), put it in a NY Times op-ed:
Every year, the government receives much less in taxes than it is owed. Closing that gap, which stands at roughly $700 billion annually, would almost certainly require maintaining the I.R.S.’s collection capacity. Depleting it is tantamount to a chief executive saying something like: “We sold a lot of goods and services this year, but let’s limit our ability to collect what we’re owed.”
Perhaps only the company’s competitors would approve of such an approach. Yet here we are. Aggressive cuts to our nation’s accounts receivable function will reduce the amount of tax revenue coming in, which will in turn increase our nation’s deficit and add to our $36 trillion in debt.
Bottom line: I expect DOGE to create more chaos and little real deficit reduction. DOGE actions might make the deficit worse.
Ray of Light
It’s important to keep this all in perspective, of course. Unlike some other stuff going on in Washington (Ukraine, cutting USAID funding of food and medical aid, etc.), this is not an immediate and existential crisis. It’s more like a chronic disease with unknown but adverse effect off in the long run. It’s like the hypertensive going off his meds and diet. It won’t result in immediate death and there likely will be time to fix it. But the degree of difficulty in doing so will increase as the public increasingly assumes it’s not a real problem. We keep engraining the public’s expectation that they can buy government services at a substantial discount.
SALT Effects
All of this is bad news for state budgets, including Minnesota’s. The IRS cuts will undermine the state’s ability to collect corporate franchise and individual income taxes, especially over the long run – both because of the DOGE layoffs and the almost certain unwinding of the IRA increased funding by Congress. This will not create an immediate crisis but will gradually erode the tax base by enabling more noncompliance.
If enacted, the Medicaid cuts implicit in the House budget resolution likely would put immense pressure on the state budget. To realize such large savings (almost $900 billion over 10 years), more responsibility for paying benefits almost inevitably will be shifted to states. That’s easier than cutting benefits – it’s now the states’ responsibility, we’re giving them flexibility to be more efficient, etc. A Republican congress is sure to do that in ways that disadvantage blue states more than red states. There are myriad ways to skew the effects to blue states with clever formula writing, time limit phase-ins (partially protecting red states that opted into ACA later), etc.
Prime candidates for large cuts include reducing the ACA’s 90% reimbursement rate back to the otherwise applicable rate (NY Times story) and/or reducing the regular rate below 50% for states with higher incomes (like CA, NY, MN, and other mainly blue states). This KFF report details the state-by-state effects of the first option. It would save $626 billion nationally over ten years (NYT story says $550 billion). Minnesota’s share of that is $1.4 billion. Nothing that dramatic is likely to be enacted but Medicaid cuts in the form of lower state payments almost surely are coming.
Republican legislators understand how vulnerable Minnesota is to Medicaid cuts, which is why some of them warned their colleagues in Congress about it. Many of their voters are enrolled in MA, Minnesota’s Medicaid program. And the rural districts, nearly all of which are heavily Republican, are especially dependent on MA reimbursements for the financial health of their hospitals, nursing homes, and health care providers.
I’m sure that Republican members of Congress fully appreciate this (w/ or w/o letters), as evidenced by this Politico story on the politics of Medicaid cuts. That will make it exceedingly difficult to pass the cuts contemplated in the House budget resolution.
As an aside, the House budget resolution also has a half trillion in unallocated budget cuts – i.e., cuts they were unwilling or unable to specifically identify the general category in which they would be made. Where are they going to find the additional half trillion in unallocated cuts is unclear, if Medicare, Social Security, and the military are
off limits? Medicaid already comprises two-thirds of the allocated cuts, but it’s the only big budget category on the table, it seems to me. All that suggests more of the tax cuts, including increases demanded by Senate, will likely be financed by debt.


